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Старый 25.12.2004, 18:33   #1
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happy xmas from england

have a great chirstmass everyone, and a great new yr,

heres to 2005, lets hope igor stays healty, that goes for every one on here too, have a gd one people, gd luck with the elections alex.

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Старый 25.12.2004, 20:04   #2
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Same for you and everybody up here!
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, guys!
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Старый 27.12.2004, 17:44   #4
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Nice holydays for everyone!

Rob, elections were the best present this time. We won!!! Thank you for supporting us with your controllers from EU. They helped us a lot to get fair elections in 3d tour!
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Nice holydays for everyone!

Rob, elections were the best present this time. We won!!! Thank you for supporting us with your controllers from EU. They helped us a lot to get fair elections in 3d tour!
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Nice holydays for everyone!

Rob, elections were the best present this time. We won!!! Thank you for supporting us with your controllers from EU. They helped us a lot to get fair elections in 3d tour!
Yes, now they can count on Ukraine as EU 3rd world colony!
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Also, boxer will you tell all the truth about the money the US and EU invested into Yushchenko and other orange-brown electoral campaign?!
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Nice holydays for everyone!

Rob, elections were the best present this time. We won!!! Thank you for supporting us with your controllers from EU. They helped us a lot to get fair elections in 3d tour!
Yes, but in your typical west-ukrainian lying style, you're not telling all the truth to people!

Let people read this!!


I can present an interesting interview of Natalia Vitrenko to Inter TV channel. I have recorded the interwiev on my videorecorder and here I reproduce the interview from my videotape.

English translation by Peter K.


The interview of Natalia Vitrenko, the leader of Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU -
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Inter: Natalia Mikhayolvna, you gave support to Yanukovich in the 2nd round, can you explain your position, please?

N. Vitrenko: Certainly for Yanukovich! Because Yanukovich oppose colonization by the USA, Yanukovich oppose free selling of land, he stands for social guarantees, for social state!
That is, if Moroz declared his support for Yuschchenko, this means that for any SPU member it must be clear - Moroz stated that he's absolutely non-leftist politician. He's not just bouergois politician, he's the defendor of comprador bourgoisie! That is such layer of bouergosie which will continue to bring capitols out of Ukraine. That is Lazarenko, you see, others, which today stand in the que to the power together with Yushchenko. I'm sure they will do the same as Lazarenko.
Simonenko has took the position which is not excusable for a Communist! The real Communist should not hide away from responsibility. He should not leave the battlefield! If he's a communist, he understands that he take a risk, but he must come into attack the first and lead people after him!
Unfortunately, in Ukraine it happened such way, that nominally there're three principal leftist parties by the label, but in reality, people have seen that there's just one leftist party in the country - this is Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, which didn't afraid and took the responsibility, on the 3rd of November we took this decision and our party started campaign in support of Yanukovich in the 2nd round. We have published newspaper "Peoples Opposition" by 1 million issues. And when some people surprise that there's such high turnout in Donetsk, in Donbass, in Crimea, - this is our work! Our party there worked actively, our paper distributed well there. We came to make speeches there. Marchenko made a speech in Donetsk, in Crimea that was Vitrenko. We, from our side has told people openly:"Don't vote for Yushchenko! It's a catastrophy for the country! Vote for Yanukovich, this is a chance for development of Ukraine, it's a change for salvation of it!".

Inter: Natalia Mikhailovna, does this mean that having supported the representative of official power, you, PSPU, stopped to be oppositional party?

N.Vitrenko: No, it doesn't! The most important here, you see, I don't like when Yanukovich is called the representative of power, and Yushchenko is the representative of opposition.
Yushchenko is the representative of power!!! He used to be for 9 years at power! And Yanukovich which is a prime-minister today, he's from the point of view of classical political science, can be called the beginning reformator, which appeared to be at power today.
We're opposition. And I gave an interview today in Central Electoral Comission (CEC), there were lots of journalists there, yuo know, of such an openly pro-western orientation. They asked me this question in various respects. Whom you'll be today? What do you represent?
I have explained them, that we - Progressive Socialist Party - are the party of leftist opposition, socialist opposition. That is if Ukraine will become socialist, certainly our oppositional status is no more needed. That will be the position of power. But Ukraine is not socialist now, and nor Yanukovich, neither Yushchenko stand for it, we'll remain in opposition.
Another thing, if Yanukovich is president, our oppositional status will be reasonable. We will control the power, in order that power performs its electoral promises. You can recall, when Kuchma ran in 1994 elections he promised - Russian language as second official language, links with Russia, struggle with "fat cats", etc, - and he refused of all of that! So, this not to happen once again, - opposition is needed! WHich controls, which presses from below, - our mission here is absolutely clear!
If Yushchenko is President, - then we'll be tough opposition!
Then we start to form national-liberation movement! We'll do everything that Ukraine to become a federal country! So that, western values, you know of Western Ukraine, won't threat degradation to all of Ukraine! That is, we will do everything that even if Yushchenko is President, - that regions of Ukraine, members of federation to have a right to defend their values, their language, their culture. And justice to be in the country, that every part of the federation, should live on the money which it makes! If Western Ukraine will live on the manufactured goods it produce, on the incomes it earns, - then they have absolutely another way of thinking! They will start to understand the importance of Russia at once! Because it's very pleasant to get gas, oil, natural resourses from Russia, and then to forget what means Russia for Ukraine and to construct the policy this way!!!
That's why our opposition will be of different kinds! And our party will continue its activities. Especially that to our party now requests lots of, I'd say ex-members of Communist party and Socialist party, which have seen the position of their leadership and who are not agree with this position. And our position corresponds more to their views, and I think our party will improve its influence.

Inter: And by the way, what do you think about your chances on 2006 parliamentary elections?

N.Vitrenko: Well, you see, it all depends upon who'll become President! You see, if Yanukovich is president, he, even in TV debates has shawn his democratism, he's quite delicate about politics and is going to solve this or that problems in safety, careful manner. That is I'm sure, if Yanukovich is President, the law about elections which is now has been accepted - it will remain working. And I'm sure that we'll overcome 3% barrier and will constitute our parliamentary faction.
If Yushchenko is President!
What is US democracy, is known to all of the world! They live double standards! They declare US democracy, freedom, human rights, blah-blah-blah, and then they have 100,000 killed in Iraq or bombings of Serbia!
The same is about Yushchenko!
Then he will change electoral law, - by the way Saakashvili has done the same way in Georgea! He will change electoral law, he will raise up barrier, - if not 10%, then 7%, In order that it's only parties that suits him to come into parliament. And there will be 2 or 3 factions in parliament. Convenient, good-behaving, pro-west! I can understand that there's such perspective in Ukraine. And in this case our position will be quite complicated!
But anyway, we're such a party! We will continue to struggle anyway, as I say till the last bullet! Because we need to defend the country!

Inter: Natalia Mikhaylovna, he were just informed by correspondents from CEC that there's almost fight with Yushchenko team representtives, - Victor Yushchenko, Pyotr Poroshenko, which express their disagreement with the first official results of elections, presented by CEC. How can you comment it?

N.Vitrenko: They have no other choice! I'm sure that the US project of taking power in Ukraine is exactly of this kind! To gather a crowd of people. To fool the people! Those who stand on the square at the moment. To fool them that it's Yushchenko who has won, and that it's the evil idea of CEC, to change all this, to steal the victory, to fraud, etc!
Then this crowd, extatic, - there's an effect of a crowd, you know! People are simply blinded there. Most of them doesn't understand many things elemantary! But they are directed in the demanded direction, in order to start a scandal, to start battle, to occupy CEC.
And unfortunately members of parliament lead in this respect!
I'm simply sure that people of Ukraine need to condemn such a position of MPs. They act like bandits. When they say they won't let someone to the power, like the others are bandits. This is political gangsterism!
You see, one must know how to both win and loose politics. And to wait the official results of elections. There's a law which is accepted in Ukraine. By the way, Poroshenko and others voted fot it. According to the law, the results of elections declares only CEC, no other opportunities are not given! Only Central Electoral Commission! Not any exit-polls, not any parallel countings, no any other opportunities are given! Therefore, they need to have patience, need to have respect to the people.
Because you know, when they braught here, well may be 30,000 people. I perhaps could have braught 300,000 people! But I have no such money! Because I know that I have more supporters in Ukraine! And they have such money!
But it doesn't mean that if they braught such number of people here, it means that the truth is on their side!
The truth is only to be declared by Central Electoral Comission. If you don't like it, plese, there's a procedure of court decision, you can give the case to the court, there's even European Court on Human Rights. Noone says that if there're such results which you haven't exprected then you don't have a right to dispute it! Well, but you must dispute this in a civilised way! Not making earthquakes in the country!
As a women, and especially as a mother, I ultimately oppose any kinds of blood decisions! When some arm themselves with sticks, and the others are to defend with shields. Then there're beaten up militia men, which are also someones' children! Then those innocent people who were fooled, who were called to come to the square, and even were given beer, I think free of charge, and I'm sure there's something worse than beer there! People are stimulated, people are sharpened, people are not responsilbe for their acts! And this can provoke disorders, which can lead to battles in Ukraine, which is not really good for Ukraine!
I think it's necessary to cancel the status of inviolability from MPs. If Ukrainian MPs would not have it they know that any of their acts which contradicts law will be considered as criminal acts
Then Poroshenko and others, who act themselves such way today, they would have cold shower. But now they have hidden themselves behind this status of inviolability and behave themselves simply in boorish way to the other people, to mass-media.
We can't let it in Ukraine!

Inter: Thank you Natalia Mikhaylovna! I can remind our TV audience that we had the leader of Progressive Socialist Party - Natalia Mikhaylovna Vitrenko in the studio. We also invited one of the leaders of SPU - Joseph Vinsky, but for some reason he didn't come. I hope for excusable reason.

N. Vitrenko: He's at another channel now. On the Channel 5 (pro-Yushchenko TV channel in Ukrane - Peter K.)
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happy it all worked out for u, but to be fair most true english men hate the EU and europe in england, we get told what to do and how to do it all the time by and bunch of european wasters all the time, theres alot of ppl here that want out of europe, including me!!!

britain is an island its not part of europe so we shouldent bow down to them, and pay our taxes to them.

rant over back to igor fan talk
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im happy u got a fair election thoe
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